Web design for non-profit



  • I'm on the board of a local non-profit, and they are wanting to make changes to their website. They currently host with 1&1 and pay $10 / mo for the services with their built-in wysiwyg editor, which they find too restrictive.

    I know they could save a few bucks on the hosting, but the real issue is that they need another option for building / maintaining the website. Here's their website if anyone is interested: http://www.arc-gateway.org/. They don't currently sell anything through the site, but that could change in the future.

    What alternatives are out there that I can review / recommend to them. Appreciate any input.

    Regards, Dan



  • There are some cheesy tools out there. Or you can hire someone. I know that both @DonutDetroyer and @MarigabyFrias do web design. Maybe they can help out.



  • Use Concerte5 and buy a professional theme (they cost between $10-$200).





  • We use Joomla in house right now. But Concrete5 is what I see a lot of local devs pitching.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    There are some cheesy tools out there. Or you can hire someone. I know that both @DonutDetroyer and @MarigabyFrias do web design. Maybe they can help out.

    Stuff like NetObjects Fusion and Xara Web Designer?

    @thecreativeone91 said:

    Use Concerte5 and buy a professional theme (they cost between $10-$200).

    Thanks, I'll take a look. Do you purchase the themes directly from them or elsewhere?



  • @Danp said:

    Thanks, I'll take a look. Do you purchase the themes directly from them or elsewhere?

    Direct. They have a market place.

    http://www.concrete5.org/marketplace/themes



  • @Danp said:

    Stuff like NetObjects Fusion and Xara Web Designer?

    I wouldn't think so. Normal web design.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    I wouldn't think so. Normal web design.

    What, you mean like an html editor?



  • @Danp said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    I wouldn't think so. Normal web design.

    What, you mean like an html editor?

    They'd do PHP or similar raw who needs an editor when you have Notepad++. Editoris always make bad code, including Dreamweaver & FrontPage.



  • I definitely agree with buying a theme for their site. Don't be afraid to spend more on the theme upfront. The higher cost themes generally have more features, and more support.



  • Thanks for the input thus far. I already have an account with ASO (thanks to the earlier review by @scottalanmiller), so I should be able to load up a site there for testing.



  • @Danp said:

    Thanks for the input thus far. I already have an account with ASO (thanks to the earlier review by @scottalanmiller), so I should be able to load up a site there for testing.

    Nice, I think I am going to be setting up a site with them tomorrow.



  • @Danp said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    I wouldn't think so. Normal web design.

    What, you mean like an html editor?

    I'm confused. You are asking for design but then listing tools. What does the tooling matter? I always did web design in a text editor.



  • @thecreativeone91 said:

    They'd do PHP or similar raw who needs an editor when you have Notepad++. Editoris always make bad code, including Dreamweaver & FrontPage.

    Those tools seem to mostly be for non-designers who need some hand holding. I don't know of any serious designer that has every used those. Not since Dreamweaver circa 2004. Notepad++, Atom, vi, Sublime or similar are so easy.



  • @scottalanmiller

    Agreed, between Notepadd++ the features of CPanel, and even just editing the files from within the site... What more does one need.



  • @Sparkum said:

    @scottalanmiller

    Agreed, between Notepadd++ the features of CPanel, and even just editing the files from within the site... What more does one need.

    I wouldn't use the cpanel editor. I've had it cause issues. It will sometimes put in spaces, corrupt the file, or change the encoding.



  • @thecreativeone91

    Oh really, guess I've been lucky so far.



  • @thecreativeone91 said:

    @Sparkum said:

    @scottalanmiller

    Agreed, between Notepadd++ the features of CPanel, and even just editing the files from within the site... What more does one need.

    I wouldn't use the cpanel editor. I've had it cause issues. It will sometimes put in spaces, corrupt the file, or change the encoding.

    Not the cPanel Editor, the additional cPanel Code Editor. It specifically addresses those issues.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    @thecreativeone91 said:

    @Sparkum said:

    @scottalanmiller

    Agreed, between Notepadd++ the features of CPanel, and even just editing the files from within the site... What more does one need.

    I wouldn't use the cpanel editor. I've had it cause issues. It will sometimes put in spaces, corrupt the file, or change the encoding.

    Not the cPanel Editor, the additional cPanel Code Editor. It specifically addresses those issues.

    But it still buggs out sometimes.. hence why I don't care for it.



  • Hmmm.... haven't used it much but haven't seen any issues with it. Would be pretty klunky to use for actual code editing, though.



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    I'm confused. You are asking for design but then listing tools. What does the tooling matter? I always did web design in a text editor.

    I'm just trying to provide some guidance to their non-technical marketing person who currently updates their site with the built-in 1&1 "gui". She's not going to build an entire site using a text editor and PHP.



  • @Danp said:

    @scottalanmiller said:

    I'm confused. You are asking for design but then listing tools. What does the tooling matter? I always did web design in a text editor.

    I'm just trying to provide some guidance to their non-technical marketing person who currently updates their site with the built-in 1&1 "gui". She's not going to build an entire site using a text editor and PHP.

    Ah, that's not really related. If you are hiring a web designer, they do the design. If you want your person to be the designer, you don't hire a designer.

    Why are you consider hiring someone if the goal is for the existing person to keep doing it even if she doesn't know how?

    I'm confused as to the means and the ends here.



  • Why does "updating the site" have some relationship to "designing the site?"



  • @Danp said:

    I'm on the board of a local non-profit, and they are wanting to make changes to their website. They currently host with 1&1 and pay $10 / mo for the services with their built-in wysiwyg editor, which they find too restrictive.

    I know they could save a few bucks on the hosting, but the real issue is that they need another option for building / maintaining the website. Here's their website if anyone is interested: http://www.arc-gateway.org/. They don't currently sell anything through the site, but that could change in the future.

    What alternatives are out there that I can review / recommend to them. Appreciate any input.

    Regards, Dan

    Non Profit? Hit GrassRoots Non profits can qualify for FREE hosting and one Domain name...

    As for Building / Maintaining?

    Joomla!
    Drupla
    Wordpress



  • @scottalanmiller said:

    Ah, that's not really related. If you are hiring a web designer, they do the design. If you want your person to be the designer, you don't hire a designer.

    Agreed.

    Why are you consider hiring someone if the goal is for the existing person to keep doing it even if she doesn't know how?

    I'm not looking to hire someone, and I'm unsure how you came to that conclusion. I am seeking the community's input on design tools that could be used by the NP to build and maintain their own site.



  • @g.jacobse Thanks!



  • @Danp said:

    but the real issue is that they need another option for building / maintaining the website. Here's their website if anyone is interested: http://www.arc-gateway.org/. They don't currently sell anything through the site, but that could change in the future.

    What alternatives are out there that I can review / recommend to them. Appreciate any input.

    Ah, it sounded like they didn't know web design and this question was about hiring someone. Nothing said that, but nothing said that you were looking for tools either. When getting a website designed, it's a designer that I need. If they can do the design, seems like they'd already know what tools they like.



  • The problem with design tools is that designers don't use them. These days effectively all web design is done via templates on content management systems. That makes traditional style design tools pretty difficult to make and keep working. In some ways design is so much easier and in other ways so much more complex today.

    But nearly no one designs their own site. You would either hire a full time designer or you would purchase a template that is already designed for you.

    We often use ThemeForest for ours.



  • @scottalanmiller They've been using the D&D "builder" from 1&1. Looks like bluehost.com (the free host through GrassRoots.org) offers something similar.

    I'll have to take a closer look at the various CMS offerings to determine if they would be too difficult for her to use.


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