Dish Network Alternative



  • So our Dish network is down and not sure when it will go back. We are outside US, our TV system diagram is like this --- DISH > Encoder (HDMI to IP) > Enseo System/IP network > STB > TV. SInce our source channel Dish is down, can i use roku as source channel? is there a roku channel that continuously going to play movies?



  • or other alternatives aside from roku



  • @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    So our Dish network is down and not sure when it will go back. We are outside US, our TV system diagram is like this --- DISH > Encoder (HDMI to IP) > Enseo System/IP network > STB > TV. SInce our source channel Dish is down, can i use roku as source channel? is there a roku channel that continuously going to play movies?

    Roku is great as long as you have an Internet connection. I take you're not using the Dish for that? Roku has their own free movies (with commercials) and there are other "channels" that also do the same. If you'd researched Roku for 5 minutes, you'd see the large variety that's available. You can also set up a personal server for Plex to maintain your own library of media, including playlists, if you need to maintain control.



  • @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    So our Dish network is down and not sure when it will go back. We are outside US, our TV system diagram is like this --- DISH > Encoder (HDMI to IP) > Enseo System/IP network > STB > TV. SInce our source channel Dish is down, can i use roku as source channel? is there a roku channel that continuously going to play movies?

    Let me make sure I understand the flow here...

    Because you have DISH, that means you are paying a subscription fee. Well someone is. Whoever in the US has the DISH setup on their property.

    You are then converting DISH to IP by taking the HDMI output from the DISH set top box?

    Then you are puling that data down from wherever you are not in the US to another set top box?

    That you then watch with your TV?

    That sounds overly complicated, but sure, you can use anything you want as the source, as long as it outputs HDMI to connect to your encoder.

    But if you go ROKU, why not just have it locally?



  • @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.



  • @AshKetchum So is this a Hotel or something?
    100 TV's in one property?



  • @hobbit666 kinda 🙂



  • @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.

    I'm not aware of a Roku channel that does continuous streaming. Doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just don't know of any.
    Amazon FireSticks have a news channel that I believe will keep streaming, but that's not movies.

    I think the expectation is different here for streaming services versus cable services.

    With cable, there's no fee based on length of access - it's a flat fee wither your TV is on or not.
    With streaming fees, the streamer - Let's say Netflix - is likely paying based on bandwidth usage and actual content usage, so they want to make sure their service is actually being used - For example, if you've ever binge watched a show on Netflix, after 4-6 episodes, assuming you haven't touched the remote, it will pause and ask if you want to continue watching? No response, the stream stops.

    Of course, because of the non-stop availability on the side of cable, they build their fee structure based upon almost continuous viewing - i.e. higher bills, and I'm guessing things like Netflix can be lower because of the lower expected amount of viewership.
    That's a long winded way of saying - I'm guessing there are business solutions to provide what you want, a non stop continuous streaming situation.

    And all of that is assuming you're not breaking the law on rebroadcasting, etc.



  • @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.

    I'm not aware of a Roku channel that does continuous streaming. Doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just don't know of any.
    Amazon FireSticks have a news channel that I believe will keep streaming, but that's not movies.

    I think the expectation is different here for streaming services versus cable services.

    With cable, there's no fee based on length of access - it's a flat fee wither your TV is on or not.
    With streaming fees, the streamer - Let's say Netflix - is likely paying based on bandwidth usage and actual content usage, so they want to make sure their service is actually being used - For example, if you've ever binge watched a show on Netflix, after 4-6 episodes, assuming you haven't touched the remote, it will pause and ask if you want to continue watching? No response, the stream stops.

    Of course, because of the non-stop availability on the side of cable, they build their fee structure based upon almost continuous viewing - i.e. higher bills, and I'm guessing things like Netflix can be lower because of the lower expected amount of viewership.
    That's a long winded way of saying - I'm guessing there are business solutions to provide what you want, a non stop continuous streaming situation.

    And all of that is assuming you're not breaking the law on rebroadcasting, etc.

    yah, if some companies tried to reach this private island to inspect for rebroadcasting issue they will need their own private plane that can land on water or their yacht. regulations are almost doesn't exist in the middle of the oceans :). I just need to make sure the guest will be able to watch when they turn ON their TV. compliance and other issues can follow later.



  • What useful things does a roku bring to the table that a smart TV doesn't? Last time I looked, I couldn't use roku in Europe.



  • @Obsolesce said in Dish Network Alternative:

    What useful things does a roku bring to the table that a smart TV doesn't? Last time I looked, I couldn't use roku in Europe.

    Roku is the leading maker of Smart TVs 🙂

    How does a Roku not work in Europe? I've not tried mine there, we switched to it quite recently, but it's lesser alternatives work transparently across regions. I'm unsure how Roku COULD be affected, let alone would be.



  • @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.

    I'm not aware of a Roku channel that does continuous streaming. Doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just don't know of any.
    Amazon FireSticks have a news channel that I believe will keep streaming, but that's not movies.

    I think the expectation is different here for streaming services versus cable services.

    With cable, there's no fee based on length of access - it's a flat fee wither your TV is on or not.
    With streaming fees, the streamer - Let's say Netflix - is likely paying based on bandwidth usage and actual content usage, so they want to make sure their service is actually being used - For example, if you've ever binge watched a show on Netflix, after 4-6 episodes, assuming you haven't touched the remote, it will pause and ask if you want to continue watching? No response, the stream stops.

    Of course, because of the non-stop availability on the side of cable, they build their fee structure based upon almost continuous viewing - i.e. higher bills, and I'm guessing things like Netflix can be lower because of the lower expected amount of viewership.
    That's a long winded way of saying - I'm guessing there are business solutions to provide what you want, a non stop continuous streaming situation.

    And all of that is assuming you're not breaking the law on rebroadcasting, etc.

    yah, if some companies tried to reach this private island to inspect for rebroadcasting issue they will need their own private plane that can land on water or their yacht. regulations are almost doesn't exist in the middle of the oceans :). I just need to make sure the guest will be able to watch when they turn ON their TV. compliance and other issues can follow later.

    Indian Ocean, right?



  • @scottalanmiller said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Obsolesce said in Dish Network Alternative:

    What useful things does a roku bring to the table that a smart TV doesn't? Last time I looked, I couldn't use roku in Europe.

    Roku is the leading maker of Smart TVs 🙂

    How does a Roku not work in Europe? I've not tried mine there, we switched to it quite recently, but it's lesser alternatives work transparently across regions. I'm unsure how Roku COULD be affected, let alone would be.

    Oh I'm sure it would work. I meant I couldn't find one because they weren't sold here. So not sure about the included services in roku.



  • @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.

    I'm not aware of a Roku channel that does continuous streaming. Doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just don't know of any.
    Amazon FireSticks have a news channel that I believe will keep streaming, but that's not movies.

    I think the expectation is different here for streaming services versus cable services.

    With cable, there's no fee based on length of access - it's a flat fee wither your TV is on or not.
    With streaming fees, the streamer - Let's say Netflix - is likely paying based on bandwidth usage and actual content usage, so they want to make sure their service is actually being used - For example, if you've ever binge watched a show on Netflix, after 4-6 episodes, assuming you haven't touched the remote, it will pause and ask if you want to continue watching? No response, the stream stops.

    Of course, because of the non-stop availability on the side of cable, they build their fee structure based upon almost continuous viewing - i.e. higher bills, and I'm guessing things like Netflix can be lower because of the lower expected amount of viewership.
    That's a long winded way of saying - I'm guessing there are business solutions to provide what you want, a non stop continuous streaming situation.

    And all of that is assuming you're not breaking the law on rebroadcasting, etc.

    yah, if some companies tried to reach this private island to inspect for rebroadcasting issue they will need their own private plane that can land on water or their yacht. regulations are almost doesn't exist in the middle of the oceans :). I just need to make sure the guest will be able to watch when they turn ON their TV. compliance and other issues can follow later.

    that's true on your island - not so much where ever the transmitter is (i.e. where the dish is, assuming it's in the US).

    Do we assume correctly that you can't get dish directly on the island?



  • @scottalanmiller said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Obsolesce said in Dish Network Alternative:

    What useful things does a roku bring to the table that a smart TV doesn't? Last time I looked, I couldn't use roku in Europe.

    Roku is the leading maker of Smart TVs 🙂

    How does a Roku not work in Europe? I've not tried mine there, we switched to it quite recently, but it's lesser alternatives work transparently across regions. I'm unsure how Roku COULD be affected, let alone would be.

    it could be IP locked.

    Most US cellular carriers GPS lock their IP femtocell boxes.



  • @Obsolesce said in Dish Network Alternative:

    What useful things does a roku bring to the table that a smart TV doesn't? Last time I looked, I couldn't use roku in Europe.

    I'm not for using smart TVs at all. Unlike a Roku/Amazon Fire Stick, etc it's highly likely that television manufacturers will not stay on top of updates.
    With a Roku/Fire Stick, you just swap in a new one when the old one fails, is no longer getting updates and you keep on using the TV.



  • @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.

    I'm not aware of a Roku channel that does continuous streaming. Doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just don't know of any.
    Amazon FireSticks have a news channel that I believe will keep streaming, but that's not movies.

    I think the expectation is different here for streaming services versus cable services.

    With cable, there's no fee based on length of access - it's a flat fee wither your TV is on or not.
    With streaming fees, the streamer - Let's say Netflix - is likely paying based on bandwidth usage and actual content usage, so they want to make sure their service is actually being used - For example, if you've ever binge watched a show on Netflix, after 4-6 episodes, assuming you haven't touched the remote, it will pause and ask if you want to continue watching? No response, the stream stops.

    Of course, because of the non-stop availability on the side of cable, they build their fee structure based upon almost continuous viewing - i.e. higher bills, and I'm guessing things like Netflix can be lower because of the lower expected amount of viewership.
    That's a long winded way of saying - I'm guessing there are business solutions to provide what you want, a non stop continuous streaming situation.

    And all of that is assuming you're not breaking the law on rebroadcasting, etc.

    yah, if some companies tried to reach this private island to inspect for rebroadcasting issue they will need their own private plane that can land on water or their yacht. regulations are almost doesn't exist in the middle of the oceans :). I just need to make sure the guest will be able to watch when they turn ON their TV. compliance and other issues can follow later.

    that's true on your island - not so much where ever the transmitter is (i.e. where the dish is, assuming it's in the US).

    Do we assume correctly that you can't get dish directly on the island?

    Just set up a plex server on the island. You don't need Roku, even, just use a raspberry pi with rasplex.



  • @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Obsolesce said in Dish Network Alternative:

    What useful things does a roku bring to the table that a smart TV doesn't? Last time I looked, I couldn't use roku in Europe.

    I'm not for using smart TVs at all. Unlike a Roku/Amazon Fire Stick, etc it's highly likely that television manufacturers will not stay on top of updates.
    With a Roku/Fire Stick, you just swap in a new one when the old one fails, is no longer getting updates and you keep on using the TV.

    In my case, all is needed is Netflix, YouTube/YT Kids, and maybe eventually disney+



  • @Grey said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.

    I'm not aware of a Roku channel that does continuous streaming. Doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just don't know of any.
    Amazon FireSticks have a news channel that I believe will keep streaming, but that's not movies.

    I think the expectation is different here for streaming services versus cable services.

    With cable, there's no fee based on length of access - it's a flat fee wither your TV is on or not.
    With streaming fees, the streamer - Let's say Netflix - is likely paying based on bandwidth usage and actual content usage, so they want to make sure their service is actually being used - For example, if you've ever binge watched a show on Netflix, after 4-6 episodes, assuming you haven't touched the remote, it will pause and ask if you want to continue watching? No response, the stream stops.

    Of course, because of the non-stop availability on the side of cable, they build their fee structure based upon almost continuous viewing - i.e. higher bills, and I'm guessing things like Netflix can be lower because of the lower expected amount of viewership.
    That's a long winded way of saying - I'm guessing there are business solutions to provide what you want, a non stop continuous streaming situation.

    And all of that is assuming you're not breaking the law on rebroadcasting, etc.

    yah, if some companies tried to reach this private island to inspect for rebroadcasting issue they will need their own private plane that can land on water or their yacht. regulations are almost doesn't exist in the middle of the oceans :). I just need to make sure the guest will be able to watch when they turn ON their TV. compliance and other issues can follow later.

    that's true on your island - not so much where ever the transmitter is (i.e. where the dish is, assuming it's in the US).

    Do we assume correctly that you can't get dish directly on the island?

    Just set up a plex server on the island. You don't need Roku, even, just use a raspberry pi with rasplex.

    To what end? The OP mentioned his original source is/was Dish. Now for whatever reason that's no longer working and he's talking about Roku, etc.

    And if the TV's don't support Plex, he'll need something on those TV's to attach to the Plex server with.



  • Do you have a spare computer/old laptop or something laying around? Just plug into the HDMI port there and play whatever content you have available?



  • @Obsolesce said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Obsolesce said in Dish Network Alternative:

    What useful things does a roku bring to the table that a smart TV doesn't? Last time I looked, I couldn't use roku in Europe.

    I'm not for using smart TVs at all. Unlike a Roku/Amazon Fire Stick, etc it's highly likely that television manufacturers will not stay on top of updates.
    With a Roku/Fire Stick, you just swap in a new one when the old one fails, is no longer getting updates and you keep on using the TV.

    In my case, all is needed is Netflix, YouTube/YT Kids, and maybe eventually disney+

    And? or perhaps - So? That doesn't resolve my primary concern - lack of updates in Smart TVs. For example, the new Ripple 20 attacks. What are the chances the TV manufacturer is going to fix that?



  • @scottalanmiller said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @Dashrender said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    @AshKetchum so i have 12 set top boxes and i distribute the channels to 100 plus TV in the property. i tried roku last night but in the morning the streaming stops and only shows the roku wallpaper. it much have timeout. i want a channel that will contineuosly play like how cable channel does.

    I'm not aware of a Roku channel that does continuous streaming. Doesn't mean one doesn't exist, I just don't know of any.
    Amazon FireSticks have a news channel that I believe will keep streaming, but that's not movies.

    I think the expectation is different here for streaming services versus cable services.

    With cable, there's no fee based on length of access - it's a flat fee wither your TV is on or not.
    With streaming fees, the streamer - Let's say Netflix - is likely paying based on bandwidth usage and actual content usage, so they want to make sure their service is actually being used - For example, if you've ever binge watched a show on Netflix, after 4-6 episodes, assuming you haven't touched the remote, it will pause and ask if you want to continue watching? No response, the stream stops.

    Of course, because of the non-stop availability on the side of cable, they build their fee structure based upon almost continuous viewing - i.e. higher bills, and I'm guessing things like Netflix can be lower because of the lower expected amount of viewership.
    That's a long winded way of saying - I'm guessing there are business solutions to provide what you want, a non stop continuous streaming situation.

    And all of that is assuming you're not breaking the law on rebroadcasting, etc.

    yah, if some companies tried to reach this private island to inspect for rebroadcasting issue they will need their own private plane that can land on water or their yacht. regulations are almost doesn't exist in the middle of the oceans :). I just need to make sure the guest will be able to watch when they turn ON their TV. compliance and other issues can follow later.

    Indian Ocean, right?

    i neither confirm nor deny 😉



  • @AshKetchum said in Dish Network Alternative:

    So our Dish network is down and not sure when it will go back. We are outside US, our TV system diagram is like this --- DISH > Encoder (HDMI to IP) > Enseo System/IP network > STB > TV. SInce our source channel Dish is down, can i use roku as source channel? is there a roku channel that continuously going to play movies?

    We cut the cord over a decade ago.

    Just drop it.

    Cache a set of Blu-Ray movies and series that are worth watching.

    Put the money saved away.

    Take a vacation with it.


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