Huge Mistake



  • @IRJ said in Huge Mistake:

    We still haven't addressed the root cause of the issue. What will you do differently next time to make sure this doesn't happen?

    I said this earlier in the thread:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    If we were at someplace like Bridgewater, we'd take a moment to post mortem and talk about what actually went wrong...

    For example... did the boss' change of plan cause you to rush or get flustered? If so, learning to recognize when that is happening to you and take a minute to breath, focus, and compose yourself can go a long way. Or simply being able to say "I can't handle a last minute change, this is when I make mistakes." Lots of people can't plan for something then change last minute, because if you are like me, certain steps are already verified or checked off in your brain that the new plan might not account for.

    In the original plan there were safety measures, did the boss tell you to skip those, too? Or did you skip them by accident?

    Was the boss' plan to format the drive meant to be done with both drives in there currently?

    Did you let the system do its own format that is automatic, required, and would meet the boss' plan, or was the additional step an assumption that turned out to not be needed?

    There's a lot to delve into to try to figure out where and when mistake(s) were made, and how to try to hedge against them in the future.

    This is actually something I did on my lunch break.
    Before reading it I Took inventory of what happened,
    causes and how I can make sure the mistake doesn't happen again:
    here's what I found:
    The change in plan caused me to shift my thinking which caused some confusion, Cause I had a gameplan with the idea of a backup already in mind.

    I didn't stop and think about what I was doing prior to hitting enter. I followed the simple steps i put into my head: thinking that The drives on the FakeRAID Promise Card would come up as C: because that was the way it was before.
    I rushed what I was doing, Possibly due to over confidence, of formatting a drive which I've seen done multiple times, but mostly with Removable USB drives (which I've done in the past so i thought " pshh Piece of Cake"

    So i found what I did wrong above;
    My Biggest thing to do to make sure I don't do it again, is Slow down. Check everything 3 times before I even move forward with what I'm working on, and have a plan in place in the future for when we have to do this: Only put on drive on, make a back up of the drive and save it to a different drive.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @IRJ said in Huge Mistake:

    We still haven't addressed the root cause of the issue. What will you do differently next time to make sure this doesn't happen?

    I said this earlier in the thread:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    If we were at someplace like Bridgewater, we'd take a moment to post mortem and talk about what actually went wrong...

    For example... did the boss' change of plan cause you to rush or get flustered? If so, learning to recognize when that is happening to you and take a minute to breath, focus, and compose yourself can go a long way. Or simply being able to say "I can't handle a last minute change, this is when I make mistakes." Lots of people can't plan for something then change last minute, because if you are like me, certain steps are already verified or checked off in your brain that the new plan might not account for.

    In the original plan there were safety measures, did the boss tell you to skip those, too? Or did you skip them by accident?

    Was the boss' plan to format the drive meant to be done with both drives in there currently?

    Did you let the system do its own format that is automatic, required, and would meet the boss' plan, or was the additional step an assumption that turned out to not be needed?

    There's a lot to delve into to try to figure out where and when mistake(s) were made, and how to try to hedge against them in the future.

    This is actually something I did on my lunch break.
    Before reading it I Took inventory of what happened,
    causes and how I can make sure the mistake doesn't happen again:
    here's what I found:
    The change in plan caused me to shift my thinking which caused some confusion, Cause I had a gameplan with the idea of a backup already in mind.

    I didn't stop and think about what I was doing prior to hitting enter. I followed the simple steps i put into my head: thinking that The drives on the FakeRAID Promise Card would come up as C: because that was the way it was before.
    I rushed what I was doing, Possibly due to over confidence, of formatting a drive which I've seen done multiple times, but mostly with Removable USB drives (which I've done in the past so i thought " pshh Piece of Cake"

    So i found what I did wrong above;
    My Biggest thing to do to make sure I don't do it again, is Slow down. Check everything 3 times before I even move forward with what I'm working on, and have a plan in place in the future for when we have to do this: Only put on drive on, make a back up of the drive and save it to a different drive.

    This is better. Yes. I would add...

    Start with.... never trust yourself. Make the backup first, even when you are confident.

    Then... yes, slow down and double check and question if what you are told is true. Because often it is not, or it is misunderstood.

    And third, consider how things are intended to be done. This isn't an answer, but can be informative.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.



  • @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    Start with.... never trust yourself.

    Yep. You should have just pulled the power plug on the drive. Then you dont have to worry about making a mistake. It takes just a minute to shut down and pull the power off the drive. You dont even need to disconnect anything else or pull it out.



  • @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.

    We're in a time where trust is just something we don't/can't/shouldn't have at least in IT. It's just - verify - nothing more, nothing less. It's not about someone else doing a bad job, it's about you doing a good one, and verification seems to be a required part of it now, perhaps always was.



  • @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.

    We're in a time where trust is just something we don't/can't/shouldn't have at least in IT. It's just - verify - nothing more, nothing less. It's not about someone else doing a bad job, it's about you doing a good one, and verification seems to be a required part of it now, perhaps always was.

    I think the phrase means exactly what you said. Trust that the person is doing the best they can and are not trying to do a bad job, but verify that. Not that you're blindly trusting that something is correct



  • @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.

    We're in a time where trust is just something we don't/can't/shouldn't have at least in IT. It's just - verify - nothing more, nothing less. It's not about someone else doing a bad job, it's about you doing a good one, and verification seems to be a required part of it now, perhaps always was.

    I think the phrase means exactly what you said. Trust that the person is doing the best they can and are not trying to do a bad job, but verify that. Not that you're blindly trusting that something is correct

    What's the point of the phrase, though? All you need is "verify". Who cares if you trust them or not? Even if you know someone is malicious, still verify.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.

    We're in a time where trust is just something we don't/can't/shouldn't have at least in IT. It's just - verify - nothing more, nothing less. It's not about someone else doing a bad job, it's about you doing a good one, and verification seems to be a required part of it now, perhaps always was.

    I think the phrase means exactly what you said. Trust that the person is doing the best they can and are not trying to do a bad job, but verify that. Not that you're blindly trusting that something is correct

    What's the point of the phrase, though? All you need is "verify". Who cares if you trust them or not? Even if you know someone is malicious, still verify.

    Because it's dealing with people. It's saying the culture isn't we don't trust you're doing your best, we just verify it. It's a people thing.



  • @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.

    We're in a time where trust is just something we don't/can't/shouldn't have at least in IT. It's just - verify - nothing more, nothing less. It's not about someone else doing a bad job, it's about you doing a good one, and verification seems to be a required part of it now, perhaps always was.

    I think the phrase means exactly what you said. Trust that the person is doing the best they can and are not trying to do a bad job, but verify that. Not that you're blindly trusting that something is correct

    What's the point of the phrase, though? All you need is "verify". Who cares if you trust them or not? Even if you know someone is malicious, still verify.

    Because it's dealing with people. It's saying the culture isn't we don't trust you're doing your best, we just verify it. It's a people thing.

    LOL, isn't that worse? We trust that you are trying, but we don't trust that you are competent, lol.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.

    We're in a time where trust is just something we don't/can't/shouldn't have at least in IT. It's just - verify - nothing more, nothing less. It's not about someone else doing a bad job, it's about you doing a good one, and verification seems to be a required part of it now, perhaps always was.

    I think the phrase means exactly what you said. Trust that the person is doing the best they can and are not trying to do a bad job, but verify that. Not that you're blindly trusting that something is correct

    What's the point of the phrase, though? All you need is "verify". Who cares if you trust them or not? Even if you know someone is malicious, still verify.

    Because it's dealing with people. It's saying the culture isn't we don't trust you're doing your best, we just verify it. It's a people thing.

    LOL, isn't that worse? We trust that you are trying, but we don't trust that you are competent, lol.

    I don't think it is. Some people take offense to being checked, and it's a mindset that you may trust a person a lot, but people still make mistakes, so verify. I don't think that's bad at all.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @stacksofplates said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    and question if what you are told is true.

    Isn't there a slogan that is becoming more and more popular now? "Trust, but verify."

    Everyone needs to remember..... If you are signing your name on a project, it's OK to confirm all marching orders and procedures.

    LOL - I find that saying so weird - what is trust without the lack of need to verify? The same can be said about faith.

    Right... trust but, you know, don't. LOL It's trust OR verify.

    We're in a time where trust is just something we don't/can't/shouldn't have at least in IT. It's just - verify - nothing more, nothing less. It's not about someone else doing a bad job, it's about you doing a good one, and verification seems to be a required part of it now, perhaps always was.

    I think the phrase means exactly what you said. Trust that the person is doing the best they can and are not trying to do a bad job, but verify that. Not that you're blindly trusting that something is correct

    What's the point of the phrase, though? All you need is "verify". Who cares if you trust them or not? Even if you know someone is malicious, still verify.

    Because it's dealing with people. It's saying the culture isn't we don't trust you're doing your best, we just verify it. It's a people thing.

    LOL, isn't that worse? We trust that you are trying, but we don't trust that you are competent, lol.

    Yeah, this is pretty much how I read trust but verify.

    If the rule is just 'verify' then there shouldn't be any room for offense - dude, it's not you it's just the job - we verify everything. hell, If I just did the work, and I'm reading the steps - I should verify my own work....etc.



  • There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
    Anyone ever hear of this?



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
    Anyone ever hear of this?

    Yep. Spinners only. I've been successful 3 out of 12 times. It only works when the drive heads or a platter is "stuck"

    Wrap in saran wrap and Freeze for 2-3 hours, give a decent love tap along the side of the drive on the floor and plug it in to see if it will start.



  • @pmoncho said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
    Anyone ever hear of this?

    Yep. Spinners only. I've been successful 3 out of 12 times. It only works when the drive heads or a platter is "stuck"

    Wrap in saran wrap and Freeze for 2-3 hours, give a decent love tap along the side of the drive on the floor and plug it in to see if it will start.

    I never even heard that .
    Good to know if that ever becomes a thing.



  • @pmoncho said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
    Anyone ever hear of this?

    Yep. Spinners only. I've been successful 3 out of 12 times. It only works when the drive heads or a platter is "stuck"

    Wrap in saran wrap and Freeze for 2-3 hours, give a decent love tap along the side of the drive on the floor and plug it in to see if it will start.

    Yep, I did this too. Problem is as it heats up the drive fails pretty quickly. So, if you have lots of data to get off the drive, with little time... good luck with that!



  • @Jimmy9008 said in Huge Mistake:

    @pmoncho said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
    Anyone ever hear of this?

    Yep. Spinners only. I've been successful 3 out of 12 times. It only works when the drive heads or a platter is "stuck"

    Wrap in saran wrap and Freeze for 2-3 hours, give a decent love tap along the side of the drive on the floor and plug it in to see if it will start.

    Yep, I did this too. Problem is as it heats up the drive fails pretty quickly. So, if you have lots of data to get off the drive, with little time... good luck with that!

    Good point.



  • @pmoncho said in Huge Mistake:

    Yep. Spinners only. I've been successful 3 out of 12 times

    Thought I was the only one that ever used that trick. 🙂

    I've a had similar success rate. Just make sure when you power it up, you get what you need, because it may not happen a 2nd time!



  • @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @pmoncho said in Huge Mistake:

    Yep. Spinners only. I've been successful 3 out of 12 times

    Thought I was the only one that ever used that trick. 🙂

    I've a had similar success rate. Just make sure when you power it up, you get what you need, because it may not happen a 2nd time!

    I got away with it once. I stood it on it's side and blew a window fan on it once it started to heat up.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
    Anyone ever hear of this?

    Yup. Many a time.

    Freezer bag, remove as much air as possible using a straw, deep freeze for 24 hours.

    Use same techniques as liquid nitrogen cooling (overclocking) to keep the drive from perspiring, and go.

    Depending on how bad things are, we can get 5 minutes to 30 minutes before it outright dies.

    We get a mandatory recovery list from the client so that we can head straight to the important stuff to grab.



  • Update: Got the Drive recovered after many failed attempts. It's at 75% right now. only cost $50 for a month subscription. Looks like we are back in business.



  • @PhlipElder said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    There's apparently a theory that you can "freeze a hard drive, and get it to read again"
    Anyone ever hear of this?

    Yup. Many a time.

    Freezer bag, remove as much air as possible using a straw, deep freeze for 24 hours.

    Use same techniques as liquid nitrogen cooling (overclocking) to keep the drive from perspiring, and go.

    Depending on how bad things are, we can get 5 minutes to 30 minutes before it outright dies.

    We get a mandatory recovery list from the client so that we can head straight to the important stuff to grab.

    That's not a bad Idea,



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Update: Got the Drive recovered after many failed attempts. It's at 75% right now. only cost $50 for a month subscription. Looks like we are back in business.

    Excellent! You're a better man because of this!



  • Update to my Update:
    None of the files that I recovered are correct. I'm missing Huge portions of all files recovered.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Update to my Update:
    None of the files that I recovered are correct. I'm missing Huge portions of all files recovered.

    Why not restore from the backup?



  • @Obsolesce said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Update to my Update:
    None of the files that I recovered are correct. I'm missing Huge portions of all files recovered.

    Why not restore from the backup?

    What backup ?



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @Obsolesce said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Update to my Update:
    None of the files that I recovered are correct. I'm missing Huge portions of all files recovered.

    Why not restore from the backup?

    What backup ?

    Then obviously it being just a PC with no backup, what could be so important? Are you saying they have LoB data on a PC and no backup? If it's a LoB data-containing device, why was no backup done prior to any technical work?



  • @Obsolesce said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @Obsolesce said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Update to my Update:
    None of the files that I recovered are correct. I'm missing Huge portions of all files recovered.

    Why not restore from the backup?

    What backup ?

    Then obviously it being just a PC with no backup, what could be so important? Are you saying they have LoB data on a PC and no backup? If it's a LoB data-containing device, why was no backup done prior to any technical work?

    Cause I'm an Idiot - What else do you want to hear?



  • @Obsolesce said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @Obsolesce said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Update to my Update:
    None of the files that I recovered are correct. I'm missing Huge portions of all files recovered.

    Why not restore from the backup?

    What backup ?

    Then obviously it being just a PC with no backup, what could be so important? Are you saying they have LoB data on a PC and no backup? If it's a LoB data-containing device, why was no backup done prior to any technical work?

    Had I have taken a backup I wouldn't have had such a hard time dealing with this entire situation.