Huge Mistake



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Brought the PC back, boss told me to stop, he has an idea.
    Reformat one of the Hard drives we have here

    FYI... RAID overwrites everything. You never need to prep a drive to be added to a RAID array because, by definition, everything on the drive has to be wiped from the action of joining the array.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Brought the PC back, boss told me to stop, he has an idea.
    Reformat one of the Hard drives we have here

    FYI... RAID overwrites everything. You never need to prep a drive to be added to a RAID array because, by definition, everything on the drive has to be wiped from the action of joining the array.

    Fake RAID does all kinds of stupid.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    So I added the other drive to the PC. Little did I know (nor did I check) the Optical drive was set to boot first (which is where I added this Drive to the PC ). It came up as 😄 and the PC I wanted to load as 😄 loaded as 😨

    I truly hate Windows letter naming system. It's so dumb. Both fundamentally as a way to present drives, and it's so random in how it presents them. You can never trust it.



  • @JaredBusch said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @IRJ said in Huge Mistake:

    We have all done stupid shit like this in our careers, and that is not really the issue here. I am worried about you passing on the blame to your boss as a maturity issue.

    In no way shape or form can you blame the boss for this. It's on you 100% and that is ok because it happens ONCE or maybe twice. But you need to man up to the mistake, or else you will never grow as an IT professional. There is a reason why IT veterans like myself verify 3 or 4 times and click once. We have made the mistake before, but we learned from it.

    Take ownership on this one, bud.

    I already took ownership of it and am Trying to fix it

    You are still trying to blame your boss, in the very first fucking sentence.

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    So let me start this off by saying if I hadn't listened to my boss first thing this morning, this mistake wouldn't have happened. but god forbid he say he was wrong.
    

    Yeah, Cause this has every part of him being wrong as I do, because he told me to change my plan and do it his way.
    My fault was not verifying what I was doing.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @Obsolesce said in Huge Mistake:

    Not your boss' fault. Know what you are formatting before you format.

    If i Followed the original plan, it wouldn't have happened at all - There would have been no formatting what-so-ever involved.

    Sometimes you have to format. A common pattern for safety with that is to format on a device that has no data. Example... old worthless PC that boots to a Linux Live USB and it's always safe to format anything that gets plugged into it. A pain for a one off, but if you do it with ANY regularity, you'll appreciate the safety it provides.

    Good for data recovery needs, too.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Brought the PC back, boss told me to stop, he has an idea.
    Reformat one of the Hard drives we have here

    FYI... RAID overwrites everything. You never need to prep a drive to be added to a RAID array because, by definition, everything on the drive has to be wiped from the action of joining the array.

    I think his point was "To make sure I dont overwrite the wrong drive.."
    Well that went to shit , no?



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @JaredBusch said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @IRJ said in Huge Mistake:

    We have all done stupid shit like this in our careers, and that is not really the issue here. I am worried about you passing on the blame to your boss as a maturity issue.

    In no way shape or form can you blame the boss for this. It's on you 100% and that is ok because it happens ONCE or maybe twice. But you need to man up to the mistake, or else you will never grow as an IT professional. There is a reason why IT veterans like myself verify 3 or 4 times and click once. We have made the mistake before, but we learned from it.

    Take ownership on this one, bud.

    I already took ownership of it and am Trying to fix it

    You are still trying to blame your boss, in the very first fucking sentence.

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    So let me start this off by saying if I hadn't listened to my boss first thing this morning, this mistake wouldn't have happened. but god forbid he say he was wrong.
    

    Yeah, Cause this has every part of him being wrong as I do, because he told me to change my plan and do it his way.
    My fault was not verifying what I was doing.

    There was zero mistakes made by your boss. You fucked up.

    If you cannot handle someone telling you to try something a different way without fucking it all up, just STFU and get out.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @JaredBusch said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @IRJ said in Huge Mistake:

    We have all done stupid shit like this in our careers, and that is not really the issue here. I am worried about you passing on the blame to your boss as a maturity issue.

    In no way shape or form can you blame the boss for this. It's on you 100% and that is ok because it happens ONCE or maybe twice. But you need to man up to the mistake, or else you will never grow as an IT professional. There is a reason why IT veterans like myself verify 3 or 4 times and click once. We have made the mistake before, but we learned from it.

    Take ownership on this one, bud.

    I already took ownership of it and am Trying to fix it

    You are still trying to blame your boss, in the very first fucking sentence.

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    So let me start this off by saying if I hadn't listened to my boss first thing this morning, this mistake wouldn't have happened. but god forbid he say he was wrong.
    

    Yeah, Cause this has every part of him being wrong as I do, because he told me to change my plan and do it his way.
    My fault was not verifying what I was doing.

    That's just not true man. Your boss didn't say anything that is wrong he made you change what you were doing. Maybe this threw you for a loop, but it's up to you to organize your thoughts and make sure you fully understand what you are doing. It's okay to make mistakes. It's not okay to not take responsibility for them. Trying to share responsibility, when you are the only person responsible, is not taking responsibility.



  • Guess that Makes Sense, Had I have not listened I wouldn't be in this situation, but I did and Still ended up having an issue.
    So Yeah, it's my Fault, I fucked up, I already told my bosses boss that before i even got online.

    In my mind, Had I have done it the right way the first time, I wouldn't be in this situation, but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives, for billable time to the customer, he made that decision. Guess My thought process was wrong .



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    In my mind, Had I have done it the right way the first time, I wouldn't be in this situation,

    We don't know why your boss made the decision he did, and honestly, it doesn't matter. Your comment I quoted above makes it sound like you are still trying to blame him. Aside from morals and ethics, which we cannot surmise from what has been stated here, there is no reason to believe his way was wrong and your way was right. They are both workable solutions.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    In my mind, Had I have done it the right way the first time, I wouldn't be in this situation, but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives, for billable time to the customer, he made that decision. Guess My thought process was wrong .

    Part of the problem, I think, is that you are associating what you wanted to do with "the right way" and not "an optional way", which therefore makes your' boss' way the "wrong way" by definition, when it was not wrong. Both ways are optional ways.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Guess that Makes Sense, Had I have not listened I wouldn't be in this situation, but I did and Still ended up having an issue.
    So Yeah, it's my Fault, I fucked up, I already told my bosses boss that before i even got online.

    In my mind, Had I have done it the right way the first time, I wouldn't be in this situation, but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives, for billable time to the customer, he made that decision. Guess My thought process was wrong .

    If you verified the drives before you attempted to format you wouldn't be in this position. Your boss has nothing to do with it. Have you ever worked with someone who blamed everyone else for their mistakes? Does anyone ever respect that person? Again, there is no one here who hasn't made mistakes. It's how you process your mistakes that defines you. Take ownership of the situation and instead of just being the problem ALSO be the solution. Grow from it.



  • If we were at someplace like Bridgewater, we'd take a moment to post mortem and talk about what actually went wrong...

    For example... did the boss' change of plan cause you to rush or get flustered? If so, learning to recognize when that is happening to you and take a minute to breath, focus, and compose yourself can go a long way. Or simply being able to say "I can't handle a last minute change, this is when I make mistakes." Lots of people can't plan for something then change last minute, because if you are like me, certain steps are already verified or checked off in your brain that the new plan might not account for.

    In the original plan there were safety measures, did the boss tell you to skip those, too? Or did you skip them by accident?

    Was the boss' plan to format the drive meant to be done with both drives in there currently?

    Did you let the system do its own format that is automatic, required, and would meet the boss' plan, or was the additional step an assumption that turned out to not be needed?

    There's a lot to delve into to try to figure out where and when mistake(s) were made, and how to try to hedge against them in the future.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?

    It was my understanding that the customer was planning on buying new hard drives since we couldn't put a Western Digital with a Seagate.
    It wasn't until I got to the office.



  • @JasGot said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    In my mind, Had I have done it the right way the first time, I wouldn't be in this situation,

    We don't know why your boss made the decision he did, and honestly, it doesn't matter. Your comment I quoted above makes it sound like you are still trying to blame him. Aside from morals and ethics, which we cannot surmise from what has been stated here, there is no reason to believe his way was wrong and your way was right. They are both workable solutions.

    So again, My thought process was wrong.
    Which is at the end of that Statement, I was merely explaining why I thought what I thought.



  • @wirestyle22 said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    Guess that Makes Sense, Had I have not listened I wouldn't be in this situation, but I did and Still ended up having an issue.
    So Yeah, it's my Fault, I fucked up, I already told my bosses boss that before i even got online.

    In my mind, Had I have done it the right way the first time, I wouldn't be in this situation, but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives, for billable time to the customer, he made that decision. Guess My thought process was wrong .

    If you verified the drives before you attempted to format you wouldn't be in this position. Your boss has nothing to do with it. Have you ever worked with someone who blamed everyone else for their mistakes? Does anyone ever respect that person? Again, there is no one here who hasn't made mistakes. It's how you process your mistakes that defines you. Take ownership of the situation and instead of just being the problem ALSO be the solution. Grow from it.

    I have literally already taken ownership of this to both My bosses boss, my Boss, and On this thread countless times, and I'm still trying to fix the problem.

    I explained why i thought they way I did about what went wrong, which lead to the Statement that This was somehow my bosses fault, it's not. I also made the statement that my thought process was wrong when it initially happened.

    No i haven't worked with people like that, I've never blamed my boss even when he was wrong multiple times in the past, If I take over a project it's on me, regardless of what anyone else does during the project.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    In my mind, Had I have done it the right way the first time, I wouldn't be in this situation, but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives, for billable time to the customer, he made that decision. Guess My thought process was wrong .

    Part of the problem, I think, is that you are associating what you wanted to do with "the right way" and not "an optional way", which therefore makes your' boss' way the "wrong way" by definition, when it was not wrong. Both ways are optional ways.

    Both were optional, But it wasn't something that was planned for, and directions were unclear when I double checked with him.
    When I asked for Directions, he said put both of the drives back in, and format the D:
    So without thinking once the PC loaded that's what I did. then i noticed the mistake and told him about it right away so we can start to fix it, Took ownership that the mistake was on me.
    I only put the part of "godforbid he say he did something wrong" is because there has been plently of times in the past that he was wrong, and messed up. Never took ownership and actually blamed everyone else for the issues even though it was something he was working on-
    Regardless, that doesn't matter.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?

    It was my understanding that the customer was planning on buying new hard drives since we couldn't put a Western Digital with a Seagate.
    It wasn't until I got to the office.

    Why can't you mix the drives? It's software RAID, it doesn't care.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?

    It was my understanding that the customer was planning on buying new hard drives since we couldn't put a Western Digital with a Seagate.
    It wasn't until I got to the office.

    Why can't you mix the drives? It's software RAID, it doesn't care.

    Because they have crazy people at his work who don't know this.

    FYI - you could even put a larger drive in, you would just end up only using the amount of space on the smaller one.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    So let me start this off by saying if I hadn't listened to my boss first thing this morning, this mistake wouldn't have happened. but god forbid he say he was wrong.

    Edit I took ownership of the fact that I had Moved to fast and didn't verify what I was doing, before formatting the drive- The plan changed and I made the mistake, trying to resolve the issue.

    Okay: so, Went and picked up a PC from a customer: the plan as it was said to me was

    • Pick up PC

    *Bring back to office, put 2 new HDD's in and pull over the information after we image it.

    *take it back and install it at the site again.

    So, what actually happened?

    Brought the PC back, boss told me to stop, he has an idea.
    Reformat one of the Hard drives we have here, on that PC and then have the FakeRAID we use rebuild the information, then test the PC to run a terminal and verify it works properly.

    So I added the other drive to the PC. Little did I know (nor did I check) the Optical drive was set to boot first (which is where I added this Drive to the PC ). It came up as C: and the PC I wanted to load as C: loaded as D:

    so when I opened cmd and typed in
    format d: and pressed enter, I wiped all of the customer data from the Drives..

    it wasnt until I noticed a program we don't use on aloha PC's was when I realized what I had done.

    My Tuesday Fuck up in a nutshell. -- Let's all take a moment to give me shit for this colossal screw up.

    we already downloaded a Software to Recover lost partitions and I have that running right now .

    Mistakes happen. That's just the way it is. It's not a big deal.

    Only way to minimize mistakes is to have SOPs and follow them. That's how it's done everywhere where mistakes can have catastrophic consequences (aviation, military etc).

    This is what we have used for recovery of deleted files, partitions and what not in the past.
    https://www.r-studio.com/
    They have a bunch of different options. I'm pretty sure you can recover from a format, at least I'm sure you can recover most of the files.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    If we were at someplace like Bridgewater, we'd take a moment to post mortem and talk about what actually went wrong...

    For example... did the boss' change of plan cause you to rush or get flustered? If so, learning to recognize when that is happening to you and take a minute to breath, focus, and compose yourself can go a long way. Or simply being able to say "I can't handle a last minute change, this is when I make mistakes." Lots of people can't plan for something then change last minute, because if you are like me, certain steps are already verified or checked off in your brain that the new plan might not account for.

    In the original plan there were safety measures, did the boss tell you to skip those, too? Or did you skip them by accident?

    Was the boss' plan to format the drive meant to be done with both drives in there currently?

    Did you let the system do its own format that is automatic, required, and would meet the boss' plan, or was the additional step an assumption that turned out to not be needed?

    There's a lot to delve into to try to figure out where and when mistake(s) were made, and how to try to hedge against them in the future.

    This is actually something I did on my lunch break.
    Before reading it I Took inventory of what happened,
    causes and how I can make sure the mistake doesn't happen again:
    here's what I found:
    The change in plan caused me to shift my thinking which caused some confusion, Cause I had a gameplan with the idea of a backup already in mind.

    I didn't stop and think about what I was doing prior to hitting enter. I followed the simple steps i put into my head: thinking that The drives on the FakeRAID Promise Card would come up as C: because that was the way it was before.
    I rushed what I was doing, Possibly due to over confidence, of formatting a drive which I've seen done multiple times, but mostly with Removable USB drives (which I've done in the past so i thought " pshh Piece of Cake"



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    Was the boss' plan to format the drive meant to be done with both drives in there currently?

    There is a big lesson in this statement. I think the majority of us would have shut down and removed power from the drive we didnt want to format. This doesn't even allow this mistake to ever happen.



  • @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?

    It was my understanding that the customer was planning on buying new hard drives since we couldn't put a Western Digital with a Seagate.
    It wasn't until I got to the office.

    Why can't you mix the drives? It's software RAID, it doesn't care.

    When I've tried to do it in the past it wouldn't work. when I asked my boss he said " because you can't mix the drives. bring it back and we'll add 2 WD drives and pull the information back.."

    you can mix drives ? in a Mirror RAID (if that's the right term for it) environment.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?

    It was my understanding that the customer was planning on buying new hard drives since we couldn't put a Western Digital with a Seagate.
    It wasn't until I got to the office.

    Why can't you mix the drives? It's software RAID, it doesn't care.

    When I've tried to do it in the past it wouldn't work. when I asked my boss he said " because you can't mix the drives. bring it back and we'll add 2 WD drives and pull the information back.."

    you can mix drives ? in a Mirror RAID (if that's the right term for it) environment.

    You can mix but it absolutely best to have two identical drives with identical size and performance. We'd never build a new array with mixed drives.



  • @IRJ said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    Was the boss' plan to format the drive meant to be done with both drives in there currently?

    There is a big lesson in this statement. I think the majority of us would have shut down and removed power from the drive we didnt want to format. This doesn't even allow this mistake to ever happen.

    And I think my problem was not understanding what he meant.

    So the whole issue stemmed from a Seagate hard drive crashing, but we use FakeRAID 1 which i was told was "Mirror RAID" so the PC still worked and we just needed to replace the bad drive.
    Seagate Hard Drives would continuously fail thoughout the past so they moved to WD.



  • @Pete-S said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?

    It was my understanding that the customer was planning on buying new hard drives since we couldn't put a Western Digital with a Seagate.
    It wasn't until I got to the office.

    Why can't you mix the drives? It's software RAID, it doesn't care.

    When I've tried to do it in the past it wouldn't work. when I asked my boss he said " because you can't mix the drives. bring it back and we'll add 2 WD drives and pull the information back.."

    you can mix drives ? in a Mirror RAID (if that's the right term for it) environment.

    You can mix but it absolutely best to have two identical drives with identical size and performance. We'd never build a new array with mixed drives.

    ah, The way my company taught me was Never to do that because it causes more issues.
    Good to know it can happen in case of emergency.



  • @Dashrender said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    @scottalanmiller said in Huge Mistake:

    @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    but since we have to try and Screw over our customers as much as possible, and not do it the right way, and just replace both hard drives

    While often that appears to be the logic, how did this screw over the customer here? Wasn't this going to get the customer up faster and cheaper?

    It was my understanding that the customer was planning on buying new hard drives since we couldn't put a Western Digital with a Seagate.
    It wasn't until I got to the office.

    Why can't you mix the drives? It's software RAID, it doesn't care.

    Because they have crazy people at his work who don't know this.

    FYI - you could even put a larger drive in, you would just end up only using the amount of space on the smaller one.

    guess that would make sense. Not sure anyone here would it see it that way.



  • @WrCombs said in Huge Mistake:

    you can mix drives ? in a Mirror RAID (if that's the right term for it) environment.

    You probably should take the A+ training on this site shared by @scottalanmiller . Usually A+ isn't recommended for most IT career paths, but what you are doing on a daily basis would match up well with A+.

    You have asked about training here several times and then bring up not being able to move up in your career. This is basic stuff and you should really consider building a foundation on something even if its A+ and then branch out from there.

    This not to pick on you, but hopefully give you a chance to move forward in your career with tough love. You need to focus on training and follow through. You aren't brand new (2-6 months) in IT anymore.



  • @IRJ said in Huge Mistake:

    If you are doing PC repair often, a hardware cloner can help. Back when I was doing desktops, I could clone a drive in 5-10 mins. SSDs are a fraction of that now.

    I learned your same lesson and always had spare HDs that I would use to clone information. Somebody on here will talk about how this is bad for SSDs to be written over and over, and they are right to a point. However, to reach that write level is pretty fucking difficult and drives are cheap. So cover your ass by cloning especially in a situation like this.

    Yeah I still have a toaster that will do block by block cloning. You just pop the drives in and hit the button.