Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder Finally, we're going to see an epic rise in AMD's market share (more so than the already growing trend).
    AMD will be ryzing up epically!

    Microsoft's ongoing AMD EPYC Rome Azure services announcements are not helping Intel at all. NVIDIA may take a bit of a hit here too as it looks like they will be utilizing AMD/ATI for graphics subsystems for their VM offerings too.

    STH (Serve The Home) is a pretty good balanced resource. They've been gaga over AMD EPYC Rome.



  • @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    but it was just over 5 years old and died last year.

    That's pretty young for a laptop. My $1100 HP Folio 13 is still going strong from 2012.

    I have a Tecra Z50-A series that's still going strong. A high performance Intel SSD and the maximum amount of RAM gives it a good go along with an Asus HD USB3 monitor makes it a solid work kit. 🙂

    We've hit that era where as long as you have enough RAM and an SSD, the CPU is often not a factor 🙂

    Perhaps those updates to my 2012'sh laptop would make it usable - but it also weighs over 5 lbs, probably over 6, so I have desire to carry it around.

    Oh, mine is super light. Best laptop I ever bought. 13", great construction, it was for back packing Europe with my kids in 2012. In constant use ever since. It was my workhorse (because my desktop was so old) from 2012 - 2017 when it became my daughter's main computer.



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder Finally, we're going to see an epic rise in AMD's market share (more so than the already growing trend).
    AMD will be ryzing up epically!

    I'm just waiting for an integrated AMD EPYC Rome single socket barebones that utilizes ESDFF .L with 32 bays to allow for 1PB in 1U or 2PB in 2U. We're not a SuperMicro fan here, so we shall see which vendor drops in first. 🙂



  • @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder Finally, we're going to see an epic rise in AMD's market share (more so than the already growing trend).
    AMD will be ryzing up epically!

    I'm just waiting for an integrated AMD EPYC Rome single socket barebones that utilizes ESDFF .L with 32 bays to allow for 1PB in 1U or 2PB in 2U. We're not a SuperMicro fan here, so we shall see which vendor drops in first. 🙂

    Sounds dreamy 🙂



  • @scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @scottalanmiller said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    but it was just over 5 years old and died last year.

    That's pretty young for a laptop. My $1100 HP Folio 13 is still going strong from 2012.

    I have a Tecra Z50-A series that's still going strong. A high performance Intel SSD and the maximum amount of RAM gives it a good go along with an Asus HD USB3 monitor makes it a solid work kit. 🙂

    We've hit that era where as long as you have enough RAM and an SSD, the CPU is often not a factor 🙂

    Perhaps those updates to my 2012'sh laptop would make it usable - but it also weighs over 5 lbs, probably over 6, so I have desire to carry it around.

    Oh, mine is super light. Best laptop I ever bought. 13", great construction, it was for back packing Europe with my kids in 2012. In constant use ever since. It was my workhorse (because my desktop was so old) from 2012 - 2017 when it became my daughter's main computer.

    The Tecra Z50-A series has an all magnesium shell, is ultra-slim, and with the 1080p screen is an excellent platform. I've not seen anything reasonable to replace it. When I swapped out the previous Tecra and the external monitor I had with it my laptop back bag dropped about 1,800 grams (4lbs). Wow, what a difference!

    Our current client go-to is the Dell Precision 7530 with it's ultra-high resolution screen, a pair of NVMe RAID 1, 16GB or 32GB of RAM, and the screen is just too high a resolution for these old eyes without me having to wear a Bubbles (TPB) pair of glasses. :S

    I wouldn't mind a rig with 32GB or 64GB of RAM so that I could run my VM demos locally but it's not worth the cost at this point as the Z50 just does the job.



  • @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder Finally, we're going to see an epic rise in AMD's market share (more so than the already growing trend).
    AMD will be ryzing up epically!

    I'm just waiting for an integrated AMD EPYC Rome single socket barebones that utilizes ESDFF .L with 32 bays to allow for 1PB in 1U or 2PB in 2U. We're not a SuperMicro fan here, so we shall see which vendor drops in first. 🙂

    Huawei maybe.



  • @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    Tecra

    Has Toshiba turned a corner? Granted I haven't used them since the early 2000's, but I hated them back then..



  • @Dashrender Toshiba still making machines?

    Edit: I meant Computers...I love their copiers!



  • @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    Tecra

    Has Toshiba turned a corner? Granted I haven't used them since the early 2000's, but I hated them back then..

    They'z in big troubles. No new machines for a long time now. They were in the news on and off because of the mess as I recall.

    The Z50-C had a plastic bottom to cut costs though still the magnesium top. It was still one CPU generation behind the Dell units when it was released. 😞

    We had a lot of Z50-C CPU fans go wonky with buzzing noises too. We've replaced a lot of them. Fortunately, we can call Toshiba, we're a long standing partner, and get them as field replaceable units. Otherwise it's take it in. That's a PITA.



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender Toshiba still making machines?

    Edit: I meant Computers...I love their copiers!

    We had one 8 years ago, bought it 5 years before that - it was the worst copier we had ever had. Jamed all the time, just constant issues.

    replaced with Konica, and that was recently replaced by a Canon... both have been WAY better machines.



  • @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    Tecra

    Has Toshiba turned a corner? Granted I haven't used them since the early 2000's, but I hated them back then..

    They'z in big troubles. No new machines for a long time now. They were in the news on and off because of the mess as I recall.

    The Z50-C had a plastic bottom to cut costs though still the magnesium top. It was still one CPU generation behind the Dell units when it was released. 😞

    We had a lot of Z50-C CPU fans go wonky with buzzing noises too. We've replaced a lot of them. Fortunately, we can call Toshiba, we're a long standing partner, and get them as field replaceable units. Otherwise it's take it in. That's a PITA.

    Toshiba laptop division is Dynabook now. Latest gen Z50 are Z50-E with 8-gen intel CPUs. I still run the Z50-A as well.

    I've always considered Toshiba business laptops as one of the highest quality laptop you could get. An engineering company much more so than marketing blah blah. Hopefully there will be new machines coming.



  • @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @PhlipElder said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    Tecra

    Has Toshiba turned a corner? Granted I haven't used them since the early 2000's, but I hated them back then..

    They used to be good but, yeah, I thought that they were gone.



  • @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    I've always considered Toshiba business laptops as one of the highest quality laptop you could get. An engineering company much more so than marketing blah blah. Hopefully there will be new machines coming.

    that's how they used to be, I wasn't aware anything new was still coming from them.



  • @creayt said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    Damn dude you just missed a deal that was exactly what you're looking for. Bummer.

    https://www.edealinfo.com/d/00193386277347/Lenovo-Legion-Y545-15-6-inch-FHD-Laptop-with-Intel-Hex-Core

    It's Lenovo, so automatically blacklisted.



  • You can get a refurbished or new Dell Latitude E6420 or better for $200 to whatever your heart is content with.

    Mine has dual SSD, 16 GB of RAM, i7, hdmi/vga and usb3. If able always get the newer version of it. Honestly because the video card needs to at least Intel or you can get an nvidia, I always get a usb adapter for display (3rd or 4th) but you could use a docking station. Works fine for me.

    If you don't want a laptop then I can give you an actual desktop I use if space isn't an issue.

    I just ordered a brand new dell laptop, they can fit up to 32 GB DDR4 which is obviously cheaper on the new models, but beware, some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!



  • Alternatively, you could and an external gfx card adapter. I got one, works like a charm.



  • @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.



  • @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    What you are describing would be the difference between 2 SKUs and 4 SKUs or even more.

    I'm not surprised they limit like this - it's highly expensive to have multiple SKUs - plus, like you have already pointed out - it's more profitable to simply force them into a higher tier.



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    BTW, if you truly need speed you should go with one of the workstation or gaming laptops. They have a different, faster category of CPU. Higher TDP compared to the everyday laptops (45W versus 15W). But still slow compared to the desktop CPUs, which should be the choice for speed.



  • @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
    Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
    Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.

    I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.

    So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.



  • @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
    Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.

    I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.

    So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.

    No. i7 blows the shit out of i5. i5s I THINK barely have hyperthreading as of now starting with Gen 8.
    They've always been slower than the i7s and had less cores.
    It's like comparing a S-10 to a Silverado and saying the S-10 is just as fast and can haul more. 😉



  • @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
    Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.

    I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.

    So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.

    Just checked and i5 mobile CPUs have had hyperthreading since 1st generation, introduced in 2010.



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
    Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.

    I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.

    So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.

    No. i7 blows the shit out of i5. i5s I THINK barely have hyperthreading as of now starting with Gen 8.
    They've always been slower than the i7s and had less cores.
    It's like comparing a S-10 to a Silverado and saying the S-10 is just as fast and can haul more. 😉

    Are you talking about the desktop CPUs? You do know that they are completely different compared to the mobile CPUs right?
    i5 mobile != i5 desktop



  • @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Pete-S said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @Dashrender said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    @krisleslie said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
    Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.

    I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.

    So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.

    No. i7 blows the shit out of i5. i5s I THINK barely have hyperthreading as of now starting with Gen 8.
    They've always been slower than the i7s and had less cores.
    It's like comparing a S-10 to a Silverado and saying the S-10 is just as fast and can haul more. 😉

    Are you talking about the desktop CPUs? You do know that they are completely different compared to the mobile CPUs right?
    i5 mobile != i5 desktop

    I'm aware lol.
    Fuck can't find older systems to show you.
    Not all i5s had hyperthreading, I recall looking into ordering machines for our company a couple years ago, the i5s for the laptops were just 4 cores with four threads. Then the i7 had 4 cores with 8 threads.



  • @kamidon said in Spec'ing a new computer from Dell or?:

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    some of the systems they sell can come with 4-8 GB of RAM and NOT give you an option to add more ram (intentionally) because they removed the slot! So if you want brand new, BE WISE AND READ!

    This sort of crap pisses me off.
    This and: "Oh you want the i5? Well that only comes with 8GB of RAM sorry, you need to order the i7 to get the 16GB of RAM. Evil laugh ensues (probably)

    yeah - I agree with that.

    Sadly - sometimes it's due to the fact that they are trying for SUPER thin and SUPER light.. so making things modular costs both thickness and weight.

    Yeah I get that, but I'm talking about the same model. A great example is the Latitude series, Dell does this crap with their different builds.
    i7 and i5 latitudes are the same shape and size. It's literally the same chassis.

    The whole i5/i7 is just a bunch of marketing that creates confusion. There is no real difference between i5 and i7 on mobile CPUs. Usually the i7 can run on a slightly higher clock frequency so it's about 10-15% faster when pushed. Which is not enough for the user to actually notice.

    So it's better to take the i5, save a bunch of $$$ and buy memory for that instead. Seeing Dell selling new laptops in 2019 with spinning rust and 4GB RAM - that should be criminal.

    Depending on the year it made a huge difference. Mainly hyperthreading and of course the amount of cores.
    Imo, having used both extensively, there's a huge difference between an i5 and i7.

    I call BS on that because they have all been 2 cores for a long, long time, up until 8th gen. Only the gaming CPUs (end in H/HQ/HK) have been 4 cores.

    So the difference you noticed has been psychological or a change of generations or other components in the system, not i5 versus i7.

    No. i7 blows the shit out of i5. i5s I THINK barely have hyperthreading as of now starting with Gen 8.
    They've always been slower than the i7s and had less cores.
    It's like comparing a S-10 to a Silverado and saying the S-10 is just as fast and can haul more. 😉

    Are you talking about the desktop CPUs? You do know that they are completely different compared to the mobile CPUs right?
    i5 mobile != i5 desktop

    I'm aware lol.
    Fuck can't find older systems to show you.
    Not all i5s had hyperthreading, I recall looking into ordering machines for our company a couple years ago, the i5s for the laptops were just 4 cores with four threads. Then the i7 had 4 cores with 8 threads.

    https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/skylake-i5-no-hyper-threading.2388238/



  • on the i5 vs i7 I can't really comment as never really used i7's.
    I've got a i7 7th gen now and I can't honestly say its any quicker than the i5 7th Gen I had.

    But then I only do day to day stuff, E-mail, Microsoft Office, E-mail, Internet. Nothing that will hammer the cores.

    Person here that normally sets-up new machines ready for employees has commented that the new i3 8th & 9th Gens run really quick (Installing stuff, loading programs etc) compared to the i5 5th & 6th Gen so we've started just buying newer i3's for office work.



  • @hobbit666 Yeah for light stuff I can see that.
    For me, I noticed the difference because I'd have dozens of Chrome tabs open, Server Manager, Remote Desktop Manager...I'm already forgetting...Whatever, several other programs lol. Over 8GB of ram usage. For me, going from the Core 2 duo they gave me at work, to then the i5 SP4 with 8GB of ram to then the 7470, 7480 and 7490 (i7s, 16GB ram) made a huge difference. (Err...not between the latitudes though, those of course felt the same despite the 7470/7480 having the i7 gen 7 proc.
    Oh right, actually I went to a better SP5 before switching to the Dells. Went through a ton of machines haha. The Latitudes we got in kept having dock issues, so dell would come out to fix the issues, well I'd give my computer to the person affected, Dell fixed the machine, I'd then use it...then another person would have issues, I'd give my computer, etc.
    At the time, Dell had a big waiting list, so getting an additional machine or machines took months.
    Annnnnyway, yeah, that's enough morning rambling haha


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