AMD Vs Intel



  • @Pete-S that's an interesting breakdown of how they price them and where the models compare over time.



  • @Obsolesce

    Looking at the test you posted it says that in general benchmarks the Intel 8700K is 8% faster.
    Lets just say that that is an indisputable fact without making any assumptions on what the tests actually test.

    Now it says that the AMD cpu is priced at kr 2594 and the Intel at kr 3311. That's means that the Intel is 28% more expensive.

    So you pay 28% more for 8% higher performance - that means that the AMD 2700X is a better pick than the Core i7-8700K.



  • @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Obsolesce

    Looking at the test you posted it says that in general benchmarks the Intel 8700K is 8% faster.
    Lets just say that that is an indisputable fact without making any assumptions on what the tests actually test.

    Now is says that the AMD cpu is priced at kr 2594 and the Intel at kr 3311. That's means that the Intel is 28% more expensive.

    So you pay 28% more for 8% higher performance - that means that the AMD 2700X is a better pick than the Core i7-8700K.

    Looking at the prices today, it was a lot more than 28% more expensive. Closer to 40%.



  • @scottalanmiller said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Obsolesce

    Looking at the test you posted it says that in general benchmarks the Intel 8700K is 8% faster.
    Lets just say that that is an indisputable fact without making any assumptions on what the tests actually test.

    Now is says that the AMD cpu is priced at kr 2594 and the Intel at kr 3311. That's means that the Intel is 28% more expensive.

    So you pay 28% more for 8% higher performance - that means that the AMD 2700X is a better pick than the Core i7-8700K.

    Looking at the prices today, it was a lot more than 28% more expensive. Closer to 40%.

    I was going by the screenshot from the test.

    Price might vary from day to day and market to market.

    I remember a long time ago we bought a couple of HPE servers with E3 Xeons in them and they were so cheap that it was like you paid market price for the CPU and got the rest of the server for free. So if you buy machines (and not CPUs) you should compare the price of the machines against each other, and not the CPU per se. Sometimes you can get a good deal that will skew the results toward an Intel or AMD.



  • @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @scottalanmiller said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Obsolesce

    Looking at the test you posted it says that in general benchmarks the Intel 8700K is 8% faster.
    Lets just say that that is an indisputable fact without making any assumptions on what the tests actually test.

    Now is says that the AMD cpu is priced at kr 2594 and the Intel at kr 3311. That's means that the Intel is 28% more expensive.

    So you pay 28% more for 8% higher performance - that means that the AMD 2700X is a better pick than the Core i7-8700K.

    Looking at the prices today, it was a lot more than 28% more expensive. Closer to 40%.

    I was going by the screenshot from the test.

    Price might vary from day to day and market to market.

    I remember a long time ago we bought a couple of HPE servers with E3 Xeons in them and they were so cheap that it was like you paid market price for the CPU and got the rest of the server for free. So if you buy machines (and not CPUs) you should compare the price of the machines against each other, and not the CPU per se. Sometimes you can get a good deal that will skew the results toward an Intel or AMD.

    Very true. Prices are hidden all over the place.



  • This is another chart that shows CPU performance / $ from the site @Obsolesce used.
    It also show that AMD in general gives you the most bang for the buck.

    chart2.png
    https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/



  • Yeah these are going to be for office users. So Word Excel Outlook.

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    The i5 8500 are £110 more.



  • @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Yeah these are going to be for office users. So Word Excel Outlook.

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    The i5 8500 are £110 more.

    Yeah, the real question to me would be... why did Intel ever get considered if AMD was available 🙂

    Just get the AMDs and be happy with the upgrade and thankful that it costs less.

    Again, the R3 is more of an i3 killer, but probably going to be really close to that i5, and maybe even better in an office environment.



  • We typically use the AMD A10 in the offices here. Internally and for clients. It's like a low end R3, but with a small build in GPU. Really good value.



  • @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?



  • @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    Now that we are able to get AMD A10s, we moved to itty bitty little HP EliteDesks. The pricing has been amazing.



  • @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    No reason that's just what was given as a samole. We have been opting for the Dell Micros recently, so will be looking at that in a AMD version HP or Dell



  • @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    No reason that's just what was given as a samole. We have been opting for the Dell Micros recently, so will be looking at that in a AMD version HP or Dell

    @ysapir gets me amazing deals on the HP AMD units.



  • @scottalanmiller said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Yeah, the real question to me would be... why did Intel ever get considered if AMD was available 🙂

    Just get the AMDs and be happy with the upgrade and thankful that it costs less.

    Because that's what the others in the dept "prefer" lol 😁

    But yeah going to look AMD for the next order.

    Just checking what people's thoughts were on Ryzen compared to i5 😁.



  • @hobbit666
    if you need anything let me know.
    I work in the U.S. but I have an office in the UK



  • @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    ecause that's what the others in the dept "prefer" lol

    I hate "prefer". To be fair, I "prefer" AMD, but I really try to stick to whatever makes business sense on a purchase by purchase basis.

    But "prefer" is just another way of saying "intentionally not doing what they know is best." We all do it, watching ourselves for having "preferences" is a way to spot ourselves being emotional.



  • @scottalanmiller said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    No reason that's just what was given as a samole. We have been opting for the Dell Micros recently, so will be looking at that in a AMD version HP or Dell

    @ysapir gets me amazing deals on the HP AMD units.

    Glad you have good experience, PCM can bite me.



  • @scottalanmiller said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    ecause that's what the others in the dept "prefer" lol

    I hate "prefer". To be fair, I "prefer" AMD, but I really try to stick to whatever makes business sense on a purchase by purchase basis.

    Yeah trying to move from that and get what's required for the job 😁 I'm just as guilty of it



  • @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    No reason that's just what was given as a samole. We have been opting for the Dell Micros recently, so will be looking at that in a AMD version HP or Dell

    Microtowers are not bad as such and can often be an advantage actually. If we look at intel for instance they call everything i3, i5 etc. But there is a hell of a difference in performance between the desktop CPU series and the laptop CPU series.

    Microtowers and larger format desktops have the desktop CPUs but everything in the really small form factor has the laptop CPUs.

    But CPUs are generally not critical for general office work however make sure you get units with SSDs and not spinning rust. That will make a real difference for a lot of users. The slowest CPU with an SSD will beat the faster CPU with a HDD.



  • @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    No reason that's just what was given as a samole. We have been opting for the Dell Micros recently, so will be looking at that in a AMD version HP or Dell

    Microtowers are not bad as such and can often be an advantage actually. If we look at intel for instance they call everything i3, i5 etc. But there is a hell of a difference in performance between the desktop CPU series and the laptop CPU series.

    Microtowers and larger format desktops have the desktop CPUs but everything in the really small form factor has the laptop CPUs.

    But CPUs are generally not critical for general office work however make sure you get units with SSDs and not spinning rust. That will make a real difference for a lot of users. The slowest CPU with an SSD will beat the faster CPU with a HDD.

    Yup, ANY modern CPU, SSD, and 8GB RAM would be a good starting point for a regular Win10 office PC.

    That should cover the following RAM requiremets added together:

    • Win10 RAM requirements
    • Web Browser RAM requirements
    • MS Office RAM requirements
    • Minor misc.


  • @Obsolesce said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    No reason that's just what was given as a samole. We have been opting for the Dell Micros recently, so will be looking at that in a AMD version HP or Dell

    Microtowers are not bad as such and can often be an advantage actually. If we look at intel for instance they call everything i3, i5 etc. But there is a hell of a difference in performance between the desktop CPU series and the laptop CPU series.

    Microtowers and larger format desktops have the desktop CPUs but everything in the really small form factor has the laptop CPUs.

    But CPUs are generally not critical for general office work however make sure you get units with SSDs and not spinning rust. That will make a real difference for a lot of users. The slowest CPU with an SSD will beat the faster CPU with a HDD.

    Yup, ANY modern CPU, SSD, and 8GB RAM would be a good starting point for a regular Win10 office PC.

    That should cover the following RAM requiremets added together:

    • Win10 RAM requirements
    • Web Browser Chrome noms-noms RAM requirements
    • MS Office RAM requirements
    • Minor misc.

    FTFY



  • @DustinB3403 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Obsolesce said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Been offered some HP 285 G3 - MICRO TOWER - 1 X RYZEN 3 PRO 2200G

    Why microtower computers? Do you need PCIe slots?

    No reason that's just what was given as a samole. We have been opting for the Dell Micros recently, so will be looking at that in a AMD version HP or Dell

    Microtowers are not bad as such and can often be an advantage actually. If we look at intel for instance they call everything i3, i5 etc. But there is a hell of a difference in performance between the desktop CPU series and the laptop CPU series.

    Microtowers and larger format desktops have the desktop CPUs but everything in the really small form factor has the laptop CPUs.

    But CPUs are generally not critical for general office work however make sure you get units with SSDs and not spinning rust. That will make a real difference for a lot of users. The slowest CPU with an SSD will beat the faster CPU with a HDD.

    Yup, ANY modern CPU, SSD, and 8GB RAM would be a good starting point for a regular Win10 office PC.

    That should cover the following RAM requiremets added together:

    • Win10 RAM requirements
    • Web Browser Chrome noms-noms RAM requirements
    • MS Office RAM requirements
    • Minor misc.

    FTFY

    7GB of Ram for Chrome, 1GB for everything else.



  • @Pete-S said in AMD Vs Intel:

    But CPUs are generally not critical for general office work however make sure you get units with SSDs and not spinning rust. That will make a real difference for a lot of users. The slowest CPU with an SSD will beat the faster CPU with a HDD.

    Yeah, in reality, price on CPU is king. RAM and disk matter way more. People tend to get obsessed with CPU when it matters extremely little.



  • I really miss my AMD Phenom II desktop. That was my first and last AMD CPU.



  • @black3dynamite said in AMD Vs Intel:

    I really miss my AMD Phenom II desktop. That was my first and last AMD CPU.

    That was a good one. That one for me was my first SSD machine, and had 6GB of RAM. I used that machine for nearly ten years! It was so good. But it was my fourth AMD desktop, I believe. It was my HP dc5850. I had had the D730 I think, the Athlon XP 32bit model, then I had the dx5150 which was the first HP / AMD 64bit desktop, amazing machines. Then the dc5750 briefly, then the dc5850. All four were classics of "AMD made the best desktops ever." And they had hardware RAID on the mobo! Only ones I've ever seen.



  • Going to wait until we need some more desktops, then re-look at what Ryzens we can see and try



  • @hobbit666 said in AMD Vs Intel:

    Going to wait until we need some more desktops, then re-look at what Ryzens we can see and try

    Seriously consider the normal AMDs, too. The A line. That's the line meant for business use. Ryzens are too expensive for normal office use, they are high performance CAD, power user, or gaming procs.


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