@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
@stacksofplates said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
@stacksofplates said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
@IRJ said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
@scottalanmiller said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
@IRJ said in Engineering vs Administration - That's what makes Windows and FreeNAS so risky:
Admin roles are also dying with immutable infrastructure and HA. Designing a system that is immutable and highly available isn't expensive or time consuming on the cloud anymore.
But someone is still designing the initial system and someone (maybe the same person) is managing it.
Yeah so you don't have an admin here as you admit. You have an engineer designing the system and replacing the system if there is issues. It's all design and no maintenance. Maintenance is automated during build.
Not in the real world. That's a nice theory, but applies to effectively no one anywhere. In the real world, engineering almost always is a trivial effort that involves almost no time, skill or planning, and all the effort goes into years of administration that deals with that haphazard system.
That's completely false. Engineering is almost always a trivial effort......
It's completely true and I've given example after example. In the real world, engineering is generally done without planning or resources and it works enough for people to accept it. Then all the effort is hoisted onto administration. You can argue, but you can't deny that this is what 95%+ of the market does.
No you gave an example of FreeNAS and have completely ignored things like SRE where design upfront including architecture, engineering, coffee design, IaC, etc are all roles for the engineer. Immutability is vital and SREs are embedded in specific teams and only supporting that application.
Yes, but the difference is my example represents nearly the entire market. I didn't say that there weren't exceptions. But that's what they are.
Outside of F500 maybe but outside of F500 you don't normally have systems engineers and systems admins.
